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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

Reply to The_Siberian_Captain - Message ID#: 55898067

So are we saying that the word is restricted for use by one race?

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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HeIIRazor wrote:

I particularly like the "well black people say it" argument.  Just because you see people say it on tv, doesn't mean we constantly walk around saying the n-word.  I don't use it, and none of the black people I associate with say it, but I guess that just doesn't matter.


Richard Pryor used to use the N-Word all the time when he first started his comedy career. Then he 'visited the motherland', aka Africa, and he claimed to have a revelation. After that, he refused to use the N-Word again, saying that referring to himself or any other black person with that term denigrated everyone. After that, it wasn't until Chris Rock brought it back into use. When he used it, he said that a good, smart black person was just that, but an N-Word was like the white version of a backwoods redneck, aka, an embarrassment to all other black people.

 

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:

We have to stop jumping on buzzwords and learn to think. Just as people don't want to be the object of racism, they don't want to be accused of racism when it is unfounded. And while there may have been some borderline racist things said in that dialog, the n-word was not one of them.


While this is certainly true, she went about proving her point in the most confrontational way.  At the very least, she galvanized her listeners' opinions rather than open their minds to hers.

 

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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It's not a double standard, it's two seperate standards for two different groups of people. 

 

And white people who use the word aren't automatically racist, but they are stupid.  I mean, there's a reason blacks can say the word without social consequences and whites face social consequences when using it.

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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Hong_Kong_Phooey wrote:

And white people who use the word aren't automatically racist, but they are stupid.


I would fall into that category; as perceived by you, anyway. I don't consider myself stupid, though. Just insensitive; and contestant of the notion that insensitivity is stupid, while it's considered correct that sensitive people be validated.

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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SilverSin wrote:

 


Hong_Kong_Phooey wrote:

And white people who use the word aren't automatically racist, but they are stupid.


I would fall into that category; as perceived by you, anyway. I don't consider myself stupid, though. Just insensitive; and contestant of the notion that insensitivity is stupid, while it's considered correct that sensitive people be validated.


Well, that just shows how stupid you are.  Politeness and propriety, what you call "sensitivity", is the grease which mitigates the friction in the gears of society. Society, as we can all hopefully agree, is a very imperfect machine which runs shoddily at best; it needs all the help it can get.

 

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So, when a white person says the n-word, they need to face the consequences, but when a black person says it, it's ok? That's what you're saying right? No, I'm not gonna swallow that.
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There are times when it's appropriate to use the N-word. Like when you're quoting someone, whether it's Chris Rock or Strom Thurmond.
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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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Hong_Kong_Phooey wrote:

It's not a double standard, it's two seperate standards for two different groups of people. 

 

And white people who use the word aren't automatically racist, but they are stupid.  I mean, there's a reason blacks can say the word without social consequences and whites face social consequences when using it.


That's precisely what a double standard is!
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Well I'm just a dummy and all but I get the impression that what creates more friction in society than anything else is people's inability to not let little things like words be a big deal. I don't see how propriety is such a virtuous thing when everybody is constantly trying to pull it in their own direction. In ghettos it's out of propriety to wear certain colors, but what I feel I am to understand is that I'd be stupid to suggest it should be okay to wear whatever colors I want if I live there. Propriety ain't always right. I'd rather be stupid than waste energy on appeasing people's pettiness. The only truly proper behavior is to pull that stick out of that ass. Not hearing people say nigger isn't gonna pull it out for you.

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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theeyeisblind wrote:
she was a total biitch about it. the lady was talking about her husbands friend being racist to her and Dr. biitch starts whining about black dudes.


^This^ Dr. Laura's use of the N word wasn't nearly as out of line as her choice to steer the discussion away from her caller's concerns to mindless talking points.

 

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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Hong_Kong_Phooey wrote:

It's not a double standard, it's two seperate standards for two different groups of people. 

 

And white people who use the word aren't automatically racist, but they are stupid.  I mean, there's a reason blacks can say the word without social consequences and whites face social consequences when using it.


This is the definition, in a nutshell, of a double standard.

 

If you were being scarstic, I'm sorry.  I couldn't pick up on it.

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Zaphod_209 wrote:

Hong_Kong_Phooey wrote:

It's not a double standard, it's two seperate standards for two different groups of people. 

 

And white people who use the word aren't automatically racist, but they are stupid.  I mean, there's a reason blacks can say the word without social consequences and whites face social consequences when using it.


This is the definition, in a nutshell, of a double standard.

 

If you were being scarstic, I'm sorry.  I couldn't pick up on it.


 

Ture but when the conotations and circumstances are different there's nothing wrong with applyin ag double standard. this is especially true when it comes to the use of language.

 

For example: saying "God you're so beautiful, I'd give anything to make sweet love to you" to a woman at bar while cheesy and none too pathetic does have the same conotion as saying the exact same thing to a six year little old boy. The words may be the exactly same but the circumstances are decidely not, hence how appropriate the words are, are not the same.

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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Anyone who decides to go mudding on a ATV through a minefield and thinks they'll come out unscathed has another thing coming. I listened to the whole audio tape. Dr. Laura made no effort to listen to the woman's issues, you know race should be open to a debate and it does require a conversation and this was a one way street. If you need a second listen, do so. She started the conversation with a blatant bias and "diagnosing" the woman before she even spoke. We'll never know what kind of black culture questions her husband's friends were asking. "Hey is it true all black men have big wangs?", "How come black people don't vote?" or "Why did you all vote for Obama?", "How come you all have big lips?" ....we'll never know how innocent or derogatory the questions were. What kind of doctor tells you what's your problem BEFORE you're examined? Not the kind you want to visit.

 

Patient: Hello doctor, I am having a recent issue I wanted you to see about my neck.

Doctor: Well you know people generally come to me with problems and it turns out to be cancer. Tell me what is going on.

Patient: Well you see I have a sharp pain where my neck connects at....

Doctor: Stop right there, sounds like a tumor to me. You should go on chemo and come back when you're cured. Glad I could help. NEXT!

 

It's shockjock therapist grabbing at ratings at worst and a poor listener at best. I noticed a person or two mention how the "N" word, heart of the matter, was brought up. From the recording and transcript it seems like after Dr. Laura kept interrupting her she finally just threw out the "Well...what about the N word?" without a contextual connotation and just a straight up "What's your opinion on this because I can't get a word in edge wise". So we don't know if her husband's friends are saying the "N" word or anything....no clue. Further notice how she didn't say the word, she said it was "The N word". Which should have been an indicator of the individual's feelings towards broaching the subject. She didn't say it until after the break when repeating Dr. Laura's statement. Sorry Godzilla but when your caller is asking you to walk on eggshells and you nuke the place expect retaliation. She clearly wasn't comfortable and the good doctor's advice was, "man up" on race issues. Her example of why is the supposed double standard policy on the "N" word and she uses HBO comedy as the prime example.

 

Most have never heard of it but at least watch the trailer Why We Laugh documentary that touches on this exact topic for a good solid 30 minutes. It's entertaining, educational and brings the perspective of black comedians on black comedians; especially those you see on HBO/Showtime. If you're too dang lazy to watch it here's the point, there's an economic boon to gain from approaching the subject of race through derogatory word usage in America and those that do so are thrust into the limelight regardless of their talent level. That's why you see them on HBO...not because of talent but of a quick buck. That's from the mouth's of black comedians on black comedians. They don't particularly care for it and think it's marketed to a larger white audience who want a new form of minstrel style show that's consistent with a new age audience. Degrading the culture and promoting a racial bias in a context that's politically correct because, "The black guy said it and everyone in the audience is black and laughing...therefore it's acceptable terminology to their own".

 

There are words with negative connotations to any racial group....and while it can be used within a group to describe themselves, even though it brings pain to some others will find it amusing within their own racial group but it becomes offensive when outsiders use the word. It's a personal decision to allow the word to be used by others...period. It's not universally accepted even within a group. There are those who might not voice opposition but it does remain regardless. 

 

 

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olmoldy wrote:

The Worst Part about "Dr. Laura" is her Doctorate is in "Philology" something like that with

a a Masters in "English Lit" Why is she even on the Frickin' Radio?


Little known fact to most...if you have a Doctorate that enables the title of "Dr." Most just associate a doctor(Short for doctorate) and "Dr." to assume if you call yourself as such then you're obviously some type of medical personnel. Which from a technical standpoint kind of takes the wind of Dr. McCoy's catchphrase, "**werd** it Jim I'm a doctor not a _________". Because he could be a doctorate holder of Political Science for all we know.

 

That's why several lawyers I speak with request you call them "Dr." blah blah blah....my Math teacher in high school titled herself "Dr" so and so or my Renaissance History Professor back in college wanted "Dr" when addressing him etc etc etc.

 

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I will take away the ability of annoying little white kids to say "n*gga" if the racial connotations of "**werd**" are removed.

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Re: Dr. Laura said the n-word, but she was right.

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yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea, no. dr. laura is an idiot. not long ago she told a mother to put her child into an institution and get on with her life. great advice there. pfffft! she's a moron. her degree is in physiology so why the hell are people calling her for advice? oh right, because she purports herself to be professionally qualified to do so. she's not.

also, the woman who called in was upset because her husband stood by as his friends were throwing the n-word around and it offended her. the woman had every right to be upset. i'd be upset if something my husband's friend said offended me and he laughed along with them instead of standing up for me. people [including dr. laura] are trying to turn it into an n-word debate, but what it was really about was a wife upset about her husband not standing up for her. soooo yea, fuck, dr. laura.
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Cepheus84 wrote:
She's not racist. I disagree with Dr. Laura on a lot of things but she's not in the wrong here.
yea. she kinda is. no, not kinda. totally. you guys are somethin' else...
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I think cait said everything that needs to be said but this n word "debate" really is about an outgroup seemingly limiting an ingroup and the ingroup reacting negatively because of it. Basically, who do these blacks think they are? In most other contexts people would get this but you can't step on white privilege so easily, that just ain't happening.
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you know this would be a non-issue if more people would jump on my kill whitey bandwagon.
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Or if people would just stop being lame about this.
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that would work too. my way seems like much more fun.
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But some white people are cool. Also, I don't have the energy nor the dedication for genocide.
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slacker!