Rants

[CaitSith03]

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:
 or maybe I just haven't been asked by a studio with lots of authority to apologize.

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Pretty sure it's the whole, "No social responsibility to be right or moral obligation to uphold society's values for fear of job loss" part as to why you can say anything without any serious consquence. Again you or anyone else can shout the N word on the street corner. You won't be arrested. That's your freedom and first amendment right. Then again...there are consquences for using the thing as Dr. Laura found out.

Most people who have steady jobs whether they realize it or not when they sign all that paperwork, they're signing a morality clause....that means if their personal actions reflect badly on their employer the employer has the right to terminate that employee. Regardless of what is done or said...now that can lead to counter lawsuits mind you but it remains that if someone does something a company doesn't like...you forfeit your job. For an average working individual this should be a "Duh" thing...but as we are on a messageboard for teens this can get confusing so here we are exploring that angle of the real world. I hope that cleared up reality for you.

[CaitSith03]

SilverSin wrote:

I hope you don't actually think people don't have the right to be wrong. That's the fundament of all prejudice.

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You have the right to be wrong...and apparently since this is your first time posting on a forum I guess you never understood of the concept of another poster pointing that out but that's okay. It's your first time learning this so we'll go easy on you. It's painfully clear the original poster had no understanding of Dr. Laura's actual standpoints beyond the original incident. Bringing those up, the OP still showed he was unfamiliar with the concepts so...yeah.  I'd also like to point out that....

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SilverSin wrote:

If you feel repulsed by the thought of nigger being considered an acceptable thing to say,

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First off filter dogging a little there but I understand you're trying to make a point but...

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SilverSin wrote:

nignignignig

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Whoa okay....if you just calm down with N word there we could have a debate....

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SilverSin wrote:

 cracker

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That's really offensive you're going over the line there with that one....

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SilverSin wrote:

.....nigger

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Can you please stop saying that?

[SilverSin]

^ Dear god what manner of autism is this?

[The_Siberian_Captain]

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You have the right to be wrong...and apparently since this is your first time posting on a forum I guess you never understood of the concept of another poster pointing that out but that's okay. It's your first time learning this so we'll go easy on you. It's painfully clear the original poster had no understanding of Dr. Laura's actual standpoints beyond the original incident. Bringing those up, the OP still showed he was unfamiliar with the concepts so...yeah.

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Where do you come from? Wrong City? Where people are wrong all the time? "It's painfully clear the original poster had no understanding of Dr. Laura's actual standpoints beyond the original incident. Bringing those up, the OP still showed he was unfamiliar with the concepts so...yeah." That's horse shít. You're just making stuff up to convince yourself that you're right. I know that Dr. Laura can be awfully racist. I know that she backed down from saying the n-word. But you know what? Whether she backed down or not, she was right in the moment that she said the word. That is the point. You don't seem to have a good comprehension of the concept of a point. I put it right on the table, sharp as a tack and plain as the nose on your face, and I say, "Here is the point." But you're running off into the bushes and looking for the roundest things you can find, and when you've got the very smoothest, the most curved thing you can find, you hold it up and say, "Point."

I have a very complete understanding of the incident. I read Dr. Laura's transcript. I read about her apology. But you know what? The fact that she said she was wrong DOES NOT MATTER. Just because she says she was wrong to say the n-word doesn't mean she actually was. The truth of the matter is that her use of the n-word was correct. Our world thinks that the very use of the n-word by a white person is racist and must be avenged, and that's just horse shít, too. In the right context, white people should be allowed to use the n-word without witch hunters jumping on them. And the only way you can claim that her apology makes her actions wrong is by doing your very favorite thing: lying.

But where the hell do you get off saying that a guy with over 3,600 posts on his account is posting for the "first time"? I think maybe you come from Compulsive Liar Town, where people always lie to try to win arguments. You slip past the line of misunderstanding and exaggeration and fall right in the Land of Living Lies.

[Saddy]

you still haven't explained why you have such a hard on for the word. why is it so important to you to say it? what possible need would any white person have to say it aside from racial epithet? oh, right, quoting someone. because white people have so many occasions where it would be appropriate to quote a black person who used the n word.

[slyfoxx2]

Maybe they just get the need when DMX is on. I know that **werd** makes me want to say **werd** like all the time and I am a **werd**.

[Saddy]

i can understand that. dmx does have that affect on people.

[olmoldy]

I Think My Boxers are starting to Creep a little!!

[Peanutcats_Ghost]

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:
Dr. Laura says she was wrong. She partly says it for damage control. I say she was NOT wrong. I'm defending her right to say the n-word. Maybe, just maybe, I know better than her, or maybe I just haven't been asked by a studio with lots of authority to apologize.

As for Dr. Laura losing her career, she deserves to lose it for being a rotten, hate-filled human being who says, for example, that Muslims are in their mosques plotting against us. But not for saying the n-word. As for me, I'll freely say the n-word in other venues, but if I say it here, I get banned for racism because somebody out there is too stupid to know the difference between someone who merely says the n-word and someone who actually means it.

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Are you also defending her right to basically saying to the caller, "If you don't like being called a n*gger, you shouldn't have married outside your race?"

[Peanutcats_Ghost]

Dr. Laura Is Pullin' A Palin - Quits When Things Get Tough, Claims 1st Amendment Rights Were Violate...

[dr_gonzo]

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Peanutcats_Ghost wrote:

, Claims 1st Amendment Rights Were Violated

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B.S. the government didn't take you off the air. the government didn't censor you. you quit your job. you're full of crap and if anyone didn't know it before they do now.

[Peanutcats_Ghost]

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dr_gonzo wrote:

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Peanutcats_Ghost wrote:

Claims 1st Amendment Rights Were Violated

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B.S. the government didn't take you off the air. the government didn't censor you. you quit your job. you're full of crap and if anyone didn't know it before they do now.

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Exactly.

[The_Siberian_Captain]

No.

[The_Siberian_Captain]

If you don't get it by now, you never will.

[dr_gonzo]

sarah palin comes out in defense of dr. laura.

[Saddy]

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:
If you don't get it by now, you never will.

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get what? you haven't given me an answer yet. what's there to understand?

[Saddy]

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Peanutcats_Ghost wrote:

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:
Dr. Laura says she was wrong. She partly says it for damage control. I say she was NOT wrong. I'm defending her right to say the n-word. Maybe, just maybe, I know better than her, or maybe I just haven't been asked by a studio with lots of authority to apologize.

As for Dr. Laura losing her career, she deserves to lose it for being a rotten, hate-filled human being who says, for example, that Muslims are in their mosques plotting against us. But not for saying the n-word. As for me, I'll freely say the n-word in other venues, but if I say it here, I get banned for racism because somebody out there is too stupid to know the difference between someone who merely says the n-word and someone who actually means it.

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Are you also defending her right to basically saying to the caller, "If you don't like being called a n*gger, you shouldn't have married outside your race?"

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obviously. because ya know, those white guys were obviously too dumb to know that the n word is a racial epithet. how were they supposed to know that it would be hurtful or offensive to that woman? cut those poor stupid white guys some slack, p-cat.

[The_Siberian_Captain]

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Saddy wrote:

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Peanutcats_Ghost wrote:

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:
Dr. Laura says she was wrong. She partly says it for damage control. I say she was NOT wrong. I'm defending her right to say the n-word. Maybe, just maybe, I know better than her, or maybe I just haven't been asked by a studio with lots of authority to apologize.

As for Dr. Laura losing her career, she deserves to lose it for being a rotten, hate-filled human being who says, for example, that Muslims are in their mosques plotting against us. But not for saying the n-word. As for me, I'll freely say the n-word in other venues, but if I say it here, I get banned for racism because somebody out there is too stupid to know the difference between someone who merely says the n-word and someone who actually means it.

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Are you also defending her right to basically saying to the caller, "If you don't like being called a n*gger, you shouldn't have married outside your race?"

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obviously. because ya know, those white guys were obviously too dumb to know that the n word is a racial epithet. how were they supposed to know that it would be hurtful or offensive to that woman? cut those poor stupid white guys some slack, p-cat.

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The n-word does not have to be a racial epithet. It can be used in contexts where the speaker is not being racist. But if you're too stupid to understand this by now, then you are beyond hope. All white people who use the n-word must be vicious racists, because obviously there is no other alternative.

I guess you caught me. I hate black people. Hate hate hate black people. I always thought I liked black people, but you've shown me that I don't know anything. Turns out that I hate all black people and want to use the n-word to make them feel subhuman. Nope! There just cannot be any other alternative! Know what else? I say that socialism is nothing to be afraid of. Therefore, I am a spy for the Soviet Union. I didn't think that was possible in this day and age, but it must be, because there is no middle ground. I hate America and want to violently overthrow the government and force all the citizens into slavery. It must be true, mustn't it? We can't possibly work outside the stereotypes.

Now that we have that idiocy out of the way, you are stupid. Stupid stupid stupid. When I knock on your skull, it echoes for an hour. I have explained already, a thousand times, why white people should be allowed to use the n-word in certain contexts, but your tiny brain is just too stupid to comprehend it.

[scoobdog]

Not to interrupt, but....

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:

The n-word does not have to be a racial epithet. It can be used in contexts where the speaker is not being racist.

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This is only possible when the speaker is using the term as an intentional misnomer.  For instance, a black person using the term to describe another of the same race  can do so with the full knowledge of that word being an epithet but not in a context where the epithet is a direct insult to the other person.  In can only work as an intentional misnomer in circumstances where both speaker and target are unlikely to harbor racist attitudes to each other, as in two black men speaking to each other.  At no time is the word not a an epithet, as it was first coined for the explicit purpose of denegrating people of African ancestory.

[The_Siberian_Captain]

"It can only work as an intentional misnomer in circumstances where both speaker and target are unlikely to harbor racist attitudes to each other, as in two black men speaking to each other." Welcome once again to Double Standard City.

[FlamingPinecone]

well, dr laura is correct on her plea to the first amendment. she can say the word, we can't stop her from doing it anymore than we can stop jay z or rappers in general from doing it. it's freedom of speech which is unbiased. 

however, cait is right in that she didn't really do it in a helpful manner. she wasn't altruistically breaking down barriers, she probably had some stupid grudge. 

but hey, get got her off the air, now if we can get hanity or boortz to say the N word (which, would actually make me respect them for sticking up for a fellow conservative talking head) we might actually get some decent talk radio.

fawhooosh!

[scoobdog]

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The_Siberian_Captain wrote:
"It can only work as an intentional misnomer in circumstances where both speaker and target are unlikely to harbor racist attitudes to each other, as in two black men speaking to each other." Welcome once again to Double Standard City.

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And rightly so.  "N-----r" is very specific in being an interracial slur.  As a person of european, asian, native amierican, etc. decent, there is no valid reason to use that term other than to identify it as a slur that should not be used.  There is no reason to even use it in quotes - the word is so offensive and so historically charged that even using it has the power to inflict emotional damage in those of its target race.  In fact, the use of the word intraracially is at least in part meant to call forth that emotional damage; the ones most likely to use it are not the educated or upper class members but the disenfranchised.

I fail to see why black people should not be allowed a different standard when using this word.  They certainly didn't create the word and they were the ONLY intended victims of its usage.  It should mean something to them, it absolutely should not mean anything to you.

(Oh, and don't bull**werd** me by saying "it's just a word." What you intend by using the word is irrelevant with the usage. Epithets are specifically created to embody hate; they function in a way that they can be used without context to inflict harm on the target. Rather than a generic insult which is part of an emotionally charged expression, epithets function in the absence of any emotion. A white person in the past would use the term not to express any specific hate toward a black person but to simply control him or her.

[The_Siberian_Captain]

"There is no reason to even use it in quotes." Except that there is. Because many of our great culture makers use it freely, and to exclude white people from sharing in that culture is unjustified.

"I fail to see why black people should not be allowed a different standard when using this word." Because that's racism, doc.

"A white person in the past would use the term not to express any specific hate toward a black person but to simply control him or her." The past is over.

[CaitSith03]

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SilverSin wrote:

^ Dear god what manner of autism is this?

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That's the ten posts from now if this conversation continues...there's no need to use the language you're filter dodging to make any point other than to showboat racism. This is a message board for teenagers, treat it like so and think before you post about "Philosophical standpoints".

[The_Siberian_Captain]

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CaitSith03 wrote:

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SilverSin wrote:

^ Dear god what manner of autism is this?

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That's the ten posts from now if this conversation continues...there's no need to use the language you're filter dodging to make any point other than to showboat racism. This is a message board for teenagers, treat it like so and think before you post about "Philosophical standpoints".

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BS. This is a message board for adults, and everyone knows it. The people who say it's for teenagers are lying to themselves, and to us. And if you think Silver Sin is showboating racism, you're certainly an idiot, and there's no escaping it. You're actually retarded. You have a developmental disability. Inside your skull are sawdust and cobwebs.