Rants

[Jeffchao228]

With thre recent decision of Toonami now returning on the last weekend of May, I figure we got some well heated people who hate this block too much or be a ratings fail, well this topic is specifically for that one, come on in and put your rage(within the Rules of the Board) into action here, thank you.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

This isn't so much rage, and I don't even really care, but I'm going to laugh when everyone realizes it's going to be the exact same thing as AS Saturdays always were, except now with a robot that introduces the next show.

[Ayria]

^ ROBOTS MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER!

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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Ayria wrote:
^ ROBOTS MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER!

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Ok.

[against_the_tides]

They've already cleared a few shows off the schedule, so it seems fairly certain they've at least picked some things up. Whether they're old or new is yet to be determined, and also kinda the deciding factor. I feel like they gotta at least pick up one old school anime, just to help with the transition of what Toonami was, and what it's going to be here on [as]. It's all about waiting to see what's going to air, now.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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against_the_tides wrote:
They've already cleared a few shows off the schedule, so it seems fairly certain they've at least picked some things up. Whether they're old or new is yet to be determined, and also kinda the deciding factor. I feel like they gotta at least pick up one old school anime, just to help with the transition of what Toonami was, and what it's going to be here on [as]. It's all about waiting to see what's going to air, now.

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They could just do the same thing and continue to call it Adult Swim.

[against_the_tides]

Anime on adult swim has terrible brand image. It's all about repackaging to make it look better.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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against_the_tides wrote:
Anime on adult swim has terrible brand image. It's all about repackaging to make it look better.

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This is exactly my point. There's no real difference. All it is repackaging it with a robot. How does that make it better? The shows would be the same with or without the robot or name change.

[CronoT]

If some place makes the best 10 oz. steak porterhouse in the world, but looks run down, has crap smeared on the walls, and has livestock running loose through the place, would you eat there?

That's the kind of relationship anime fans and [as]'s programming people have. [as]'s reputation among anime fans is severely strained, so it makes sense for them to rebrand it into a more pleasing package.

It's like when TNN changed their name to Spike TV. By then, the real changes had been made, so changing the name was like shedding the last vestige of the old ways.

It is NOT like when SBC bought AT&T, and then kept the AT&T name. By then, SBC's name was so maligned that keeping the name was considered worse than keeping the AT&T name, which was also not very well respected anymore.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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CronoT wrote:
If some place makes the best 10 oz. steak porterhouse in the world, but looks run down, has crap smeared on the walls, and has livestock running loose through the place, would you eat there?

That's the kind of relationship anime fans and [as]'s programming people have. [as]'s reputation among anime fans is severely strained, so it makes sense for them to rebrand it into a more pleasing package.

It's like when TNN changed their name to Spike TV. By then, the real changes had been made, so changing the name was like shedding the last vestige of the old ways.

It is NOT like when SBC bought AT&T, and then kept the AT&T name. By then, SBC's name was so maligned that keeping the name was considered worse than keeping the AT&T name, which was also not very well respected anymore.

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Dude... seriously... HOW IN THE FLYING MOTHERFUKKING HOLY HELL OF HELL FUKK DOES CALLING IT TOONAMI MAKE IT ANY BETTER???

[Sethylococcus]

I couldn't care less. It's all about their fancy schmancy NYC Upfront party with their free food and free drinks and owls that shoot lasers out their butts. Oh, big news everybody Toonami is back. See, we listen. Yeah.

[Jeebus201]

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Doom_Metal_Alchemist wrote:

This isn't so much rage, and I don't even really care, but I'm going to laugh when everyone realizes it's going to be the exact same thing as AS Saturdays always were, except now with a robot that introduces the next show.

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This.

And I'm going to laugh AT all the stupid little animu fans when their new block sinks faster than the XFL.  This will fail miserably.

[anDaibhalsHusair]

My theory is that cartoon network is trying to rekindle the ratings growth they had with the Initial midnight run block, when they introduced a genre of cartoons that were known mainly by a select group of college kids still looking for obscure niches to he proud of. It also attracted insomniacs, stay at home moms, and the unemployed.

Now, the anime is basically a house hold name in american popculture. So o don't think they'll succeed in generating the sustained ratings they had before. Plus...I am, and I am not looking forward to twihards ranting about inyuyasha being a twilight rip off. However, if it gives me an opportunity to make a 19 year old girl cry, it can't be all bad.

[-Dudeco-]

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Doom_Metal_Alchemist wrote:

This isn't so much rage, and I don't even really care, but I'm going to laugh when everyone realizes it's going to be the exact same thing as AS Saturdays always were, except now with a robot that introduces the next show.

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Well, they did go through the trouble of banners and blanking out most of the anime lineup. Unless its all some sort of joke, theres not much reason to believe [AS] will just air the same s##t they do now, but only with the Toonami name attached. But, I do agree with the part where you said calling it Toonami wouldn't make a big difference if its the same progamming from before anyway. A person can have a paint job done on a broken car, but it won't fix the car.

Now, personally, I think a good idea would be a mix of both old anime previously on Toonami and new anime never before seen. That way, both fans who remembered Toonami fondly and neilson box owners expecting new stuff with be happy.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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-Dudeco- wrote:

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Doom_Metal_Alchemist wrote:

This isn't so much rage, and I don't even really care, but I'm going to laugh when everyone realizes it's going to be the exact same thing as AS Saturdays always were, except now with a robot that introduces the next show.

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Well, they did go through the trouble of banners and blanking out most of the anime lineup. Unless its all some sort of joke, theres not much reason to believe [AS] will just air the same s##t they do now, but only with the Toonami name attached. But, I do agree with the part where you said calling it Toonami wouldn't make a big difference if its the same progamming from before anyway. A person can have a paint job done on a broken car, but it won't fix the car.

Now, personally, I think a good idea would be a mix of both old anime previously on Toonami and new anime never before seen. That way, both fans who remembered Toonami fondly and neilson box owners expecting new stuff with be happy.

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Even if they do get new anime... Adult Swim already periodically gets new anime and drops old ones. They don't need to revert back to Toonami to get new anime. And even if they do bring back the anime from the old Toonami days... they'll everntually drop it due to overrun like so many other AS action shows over the years (or at least take them out of the line-up). AND they could just show those old Toonami shows without actually calling the block Toonami. They don't need to bring back Toonami to do any of the perceived benefits of it, aside from Tom, which as I gathered from April 1, is so bloody important for some reason I'll never understand.

[-Dudeco-]

From what I understand, the reason that they are reviving the Toonami brand is because of intrest in the block from online social sites like Twitter. The 90s Are All That came about because of the same reason and they're doing very well (Although they could stand to stop reruning shows to death).

As long as Toonami avoids advertising a bunch of shows, but only limiting themselves to several oldies like The 90s are All That has been doing, I have faith that they will survive both critically and commercially.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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-Dudeco- wrote:

From what I understand, the reason that they are reviving the Toonami brand is because of intrest in the block from online social sites like Twitter. The 90s Are All That came about because of the same reason and they're doing very well (Although they could stand to stop reruning shows to death).

As long as Toonami avoids advertising a bunch of shows, but only limiting themselves to several oldies like The 90s are All That has been doing, I have faith that they will survive both critically and commercially.

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So then CN no longer shows late night anime from after the 90s? Or Toonami and AS anime share the time block?

[BoanThugsInHarmony]

Like Dudeco already said. The whole point of the Toonami revival was to get nostalgic appeal, BUT, at the same time, try to build the block from scratch again and make it much bigger than it was a decade ago.

Packaging makes a big difference on how well the show perform. If there was word about AS acquiring a new anime, and they aired it on regular ol' Adult Swim, the only people who would watch it are the ASA loyalists (which is about 250,000 people). BUT, if there was word of new anime coming on the block, AND, a familiar face would be hosting block, then hundreds of thousands, potentially a million, people will tune in.

Also, Toonami's classics have better appeal, and hold up more, than AS' classic animes. Outlaw Star and Tenchi have never seen a TV-14 or TV-MA rating on television, I'm sure many people would tune in to see what they would do with ep 23 of the former and ep 4 of the latter (even if they do apply mosaics).

I know this is something a realist like yourself, who has a 05 sign up date and post count of 50k, could never understand.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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BoanThugsInHarmony wrote:
Like Dudeco already said. The whole point of the Toonami revival was to get nostalgic appeal, BUT, at the same time, try to build the block from scratch again and make it much bigger than it was a decade ago.

Packaging makes a big difference on how well the show perform. If there was word about AS acquiring a new anime, and they aired it on regular ol' Adult Swim, the only people who would watch it are the ASA loyalists (which is about 250,000 people). BUT, if there was word of new anime coming on the block, AND, a familiar face would be hosting block, then hundreds of thousands, potentially a million, people will tune in.

Also, Toonami's classics have better appeal, and hold up more, than AS' classic animes. Outlaw Star and Tenchi have never seen a TV-14 or TV-MA rating on television, I'm sure many people would tune in to see what they would do with ep 23 of the former and ep 4 of the latter (even if they do apply mosaics).

I know this is something a realist like yourself, who has a 05 sign up date and post count of 50k, could never understand.

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Where are you getting your figures about how many people would tune in to Toonami VS people who currently watch ASA? Also, like I've been trying to point out, they don't have to revert to Toonami to show old Toonami shows. I have no idea what my reg date and post count have to do with anything, but I agree I'll never be able to understand.

[BoanThugsInHarmony]

Nostalgia my niqqa. If they aired DBZ, Gundam, or Outlaw on an unpackaged block, very few people will watch it. Have you seen the bumps on Saturday nights? It does not match up with anime very well. If they were to bring back the old Toonami shows, w/o Toonami packaging, GASD will be flooded threads and posts like "THE BUMPS ####" or "WHAT the ### IS THIS ###".

Again, you've spent too much time in IB to even realize why it's much better to pair the old Toonami shows with Toonami packaging. It's either that, or you never watched Toonami.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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BoanThugsInHarmony wrote:
Nostalgia my niqqa. If they aired DBZ, Gundam, or Outlaw on an unpackaged block, very few people will watch it. Have you seen the bumps on Saturday nights? It does not match up with anime very well. If they were to bring back the old Toonami shows, w/o Toonami packaging, GASD will be flooded threads and posts like "THE BUMPS ####" or "WHAT the ### IS THIS ###".

Again, you've spent too much time in IB to even realize why it's much better to pair the old Toonami shows with Toonami packaging. It's either that, or you never watched Toonami.

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Well you're right, I've never watched Toonami. But the packaging shouldn't matter. If you get a nice Christmas gift in ugly brown wrapping paper, are you gonna throw it back at them and demand they re-wrap it with pretty green wrapping paper? Or just enjoy the nice gift and to hell with the packaging?

Although I did see the Toonami April Fools thing. Don't see the big deal.

[BoanThugsInHarmony]

Even if they aired classic Toonami shows with AS' regular bumps, the fans will eventually complain about the quality of the bumps. If you never watched Toonami, then you'll never understand why having TOM host these shows is much better than surreal bumps of child-clowns and old ladies in front of computers. Just stop trying.

[Doom_Metal_Alchemist]

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BoanThugsInHarmony wrote:

Even if they aired classic Toonami shows with AS' regular bumps, the fans will eventually complain about the quality of the bumps. If you never watched Toonami, then you'll never understand why having TOM host these shows is much better than surreal bumps of child-clowns and old ladies in front of computers. Just stop trying.

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I understand that pretty much every other tv channel in the country just consists of show and commercial, and they get by just fine. I also did see Toonami once on the April Fools and Tom failed to make an impression on me.

[LUNI_TUNZ]

Branding means alot for a television block, otherwise TV stations wouldn't even bother and would just throw shows on willy nilly. ASA as it is, became pretty stagnant so, they felt a shake-up was needed. Again, Nick's 90's are All that block can be seen as a great example, however unlike that, Toonami won't be bound to just showing shows from the 90's.

If nothing else, it's worth a shot, considering it's April 1 ratings were better than most crrent ASA ratings.

[BoanThugsInHarmony]

I can't explain the appeal of Toonami, since it's subjective. Opinions play into the appeal of the block. If you don't see what's so special about Toonami, that's fine, don't watch the block.

Still, it wouldn't be a good idea if Toonami fans were relegated to AS' bumps when watching Toonami classics. People would jump up on AS' ass and whine about the bumps. I know a hardened forum viewer, such as yourself, would think it's silly to complain about mid-commercial bumps. But, this is American cable television we're talking about.