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Speaking of act 14, don't you think that hints at some other even bigger storyline that hasn't been revealed yet? or was it all part of one criptic hallucination, dream.........
 
I still think there needs to be a 3rd  season and that a 3rd season was inteneded.
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Well I have magazines that talk about there's gonna be a big O 2 so look for it somewhere
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big o 2 is the second season of big o
we're all completely clueless on a third season
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Sure it should have a 3rd season being a quality anime.
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I LIKE BIG O BUT HAVING A THIRD SEASON KILLS IT
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jfblkbelt wrote:
I LIKE BIG O BUT HAVING A THIRD SEASON KILLS IT



How does it kill it? If anything, act 26 killed it and a 3rd season would be attempting to save the shows life.
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If u ask me they should kill the butler get revenge kill Dorothy; Dorothy has this big love scene with the Negotiator; he solves problems of his own and gets back memory; He gets revenge and dies being the only one of the city who regained their memory oh and he gets killed by killing himself with teh villain
 
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THankyou all for participating and keep replying to the original question "Should Big O have a third season" have fun with it
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RANDOM CRAP COPY-PASTED:
 

Originally posted by Zopwx2
"I just though of somthing, maybe they are waiting to see how Big O does in other places like the UK.

Didn't it just recently air over there?"
 
Yeah it started in april (i think, lol) its on its second run atm -IC14

Yeah there will be a Season 3. When Season 2 first aired, it garnered some of the highest ratings ever on Adult Swim and so execs would resonably assume that those ratings would reoccur with a new Season. The ratings decline would be expected with the 50th retelling of the story.... Even Bebop has ratings drop offs.

A million dollars to make in advertising could be made in the first week of a big promotional Season 3 coming out party. No problems there.

Plus, they already secured the rights to 2 more seasons so with the success of Season 2, it would be poor business to not milk the series for all it is worth. That is something CN is definately known for, running a hit series until people are choking on it.

Definately, Season 3 will happen. They will wet our appetites with a hiatus for a little while then announce Season 3. It's all as obvious as the real meaning of the plot. <-- *joke alert level 2*  - Taaudoloran

A rough financial analysis (I don't know anything about the industry, so let me know if it's off - we can try to do this back-of-the-envelope calculation together):

Costs

Figure $25k per episode for production costs = $325,000
CN already owns the rights for 26 more episodes = $0

Revenues

1. Within US:
a. Advertising: 13 1st run episodes **bleep** 300k viewership x $1000 per 30 second slot x 10 slots per episode = $130,000
b. Advertising: 13 episodes x 10 repeats **bleep** 100k viewership x $300 per 30 second slot x 10 slots per episode = $390,000
c. DVD Sales: 50k individual DVDs sold x $10 profit per DVD = $500,000

2. Outside US:
a. Licensing: let's guess $200k for Japanese distribution plus $100k for non-Japanese Asian distribution rights (I don't know details) = $300,000
b. DVD Sales: 20k individual DVDs sold x $5 profit per DVD = $100,000

3. Manga: this doesn't count as incremental revenues for production = $0

Without using time discounting (our numbers aren't exact anyway), figure:

Revenues: $1.42 million
Costs: $0.325 million

If my assumptions are right, making a Season 3 is a slam-dunk proposition. Does anyone have a better understanding of the industry?  - JCX


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excellent bumping skills there, zopwx2
got me feeling all optomistic-like
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hell ya there should be a 3rd season! that cartoon was awesome and it needed more of an ending.
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Here is a less "big o rules more episodes" post and more of a "cn could use the money":
 
"Big-O was created to sell toys.
The first season of Big-O wasn't picked back up because of lackluster merchandise sales.
Cartoon Network picked it up because they knew it had that cool "Batmanesque" quality that Americans could relate to.

There's also a different "Paradigm" (pardon the pun) in marketing anime to Americans because unlike the Japanese, we separate cartoons from merchandising the way we separate church from state.
In other words, you can't pitch Yugio cards during Yugio.

You can thank our babysitters in Congress for this economic step in the wrong direction...
I imagine that at the time they were scared that comic book companies had been infiltrated by Marxists or something.

So we have to think in terms of economics..
Put simply, Bandai wants merchandising sales.
Adult Swim wants advertising revenue.

Although the sponsors they have are covering costs, they need more than orthopedic beds, kids life insurance, and chocolate cookers to cover the costs of subsidizing an entire series of episodes.

It's not enough for the fans to notice those numbers, they want the big product pitchers to sit up and notice what their niche market is capable of generating.

This is why they are putting their hopes in Family Guy.
Family Guy is the show that will make the suits that pitch pop and burgers sit up and take notice.

When the Adult Swim execs saw the demographics and the ratings Big-O drew in, they fell on their **bleep**.
(As I imagine did some of Jay Leno's people.)

Now here's the problem...
While the male teens wanted more climactic battles...
The adults and female teens who watched the show were actually more interested in character and plot development than the megadeus fights.
As for Bandai, they still want more merchandise sales.

As a result of these broad demographics, Bandai's expections, and the fact that CN is picking up the tab, Big-O needs to be in the right slot (prime sponsors who cover all age and gender boundaries) to draw in the maximum amount of revenue.

To maximize the return on their capital outlay, Family Guy will be leading that charge with Big-O Season III riding shotgun. " - The opinions of "Son of Horus"

 

Isn't this just how japanese shows work?

They end after every season, and their return depends on how much audience demand there is?


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actually big o has a thrid season in japan
 
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Mgeezies wrote:
actually big o has a thrid season in japan
 



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read through the forums buddy, adult swim hinted at a 3rd season
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Mgeezies wrote:
read through the forums buddy, adult swim hinted at a 3rd season


Maybe YOU should read through the forums.

They hinted that they might MAKE a third season. Not that one exits.
 
Japan saw season 2 about a month before it premiered in America.
 
Adult Swim co-produced the creation of the second season, they didn't just dub and bring it over from japan. 
 
They are integral in the creation of a 3rd season. Which does not exist. Believe me, if there was a 3rd season in japan. I'd know about it.
 
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Should Big O have a third season? In a word - yes.
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"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I don't mean this to offend anyone, but just bring all the facts out in the open. It seems to me that Season 3 in inevitable--everything in the detailed series and the business end points to it. I recently posted this in response to a non-believer on Adult Swim's boards, and in response, I still had people ignoring this and adamantly saying there's NO CHANCE for season 3. As mentioned, I greatly differ. Please read this (especially the note on 26 additional episodes) and tell me what you think:

It's not over till the fat lady sings! I believe in BIG O Season 3 (and have come with proof of it). I've been a fan since its days on Toonami and supported the creation of Season 2 via letter. I have a different outlook on the series than some whiole others share it. Given all of the clues and poignant symbolism (religious and otherwise) it seems to me this is just the calm before the real storm. The end of an ACT in a larger 'play' that still has 'acts' to come. Roger failed in his negotiations.By the full ending of Season 2, we see that Angel and Dorothy have apparently been carried over with some sense of memories, but Paradigm is still a "City of Amnesia."Paradigm is still stuck in a purgatory like existence doomed to repeat its cycle of destruction and thus reset. However, Roger is supposed to stop that, to "Negotiate with the "Creator and get the memories back and a future. This is a show about heavy, thick plot. The robot and mecha action is in a sense, red herrings.

Each time you watch it, you can piece together a bit more of what's truly happening. This is much much deeper than a Cowboy Bebop here, and for closure's sake, we need more than what we have. This is the kind of quality series that shouldn't be limited by 26 episodes. Back in the day, there were series that exceeded that, and i think this one, which is a great epic, that should be allowed to finish its tale. Its not just simply a TV show by Angel...very little evidence for that. Though a sort of simulation is involved, there was some kind of Event that makes this (limited) simulation a nessessity. The simulation apparently has to do with the solution to a problem in the world of compelte reality, and until that solution is found, BIG VENUS will appear to Reset the simulation's failure--which is apparently when mankind tries to destroy itself again.

Of course this is not the solution, because I'm not the creator and also, we have not been given all the clues yet. Bottom line, until the Reset is stopped, the series goes on, and it will not be the same each time. Besides, looking at this as an anime, we, the viewer have been through/seen a full cycle of a reset. Now the next part of the series is logically, how do you stop this--which apparently is Roger's fate. How many times has he died? This time he had Dorothy to save him from drowning in ACT 26, but previously he didn't. It seems to suggest more and more things are falling into place each reset for Roger to set things right. Angel is now there and can help too possibly in the new existence since she and Dorothy TOGETHER watch Roger drive by in the end. It can't be the same as 1 and 2, cause that's already different right there and also, the past hasn't exactly been the same, where Roger was a military pilot, Dorothy a human, etc, etc. I feel this series above any other has EARNED a Season 3 that will more than likely be incredible. The were able to capitolize a lot on Season 1 in ways we from the Toonami days never could have never imagined. The writers working on this are experienced and good at what they do..don't think they're out of ideas. Their show got cancelled way back when, and now that its back up and running, the accumulated ideas from over the years need this thing to be told to the finish.

Going beyond the story, and all the many mysteries that remain, look at this from a creation/production standpoint.

-Adult Swim talks in a bumper that premeired soon after the start of Season 2's US airing about a possible Season 3 if ratings go well and the execs can be convinced. (not word for word, but that was the idea of the statement)

-The last episode is called: "THE SHOW MUST GO ON." (A metaphor for life, and also, that Paradigm's struggle remains....it's not meant to be literal, that it's a tv show.)

-Many new elements are added right at the end as teasers, just like the Barcodes and Tomatos of SEASON 1's ending.

-BIG ONE: Anime news sites report the following: "Cartoon Network has an option for an additional 26 episodes of BIG O (not including the 13 new ones that begin airing August 31 on Adult Swim)." (word for word right there)

-Act 26 was dubbed a "Season Finale" by Adult Swim, not a series finale.

-BIG O's ratings were reported as quite high just recently, even with competition like Wolf's Rain.

Now, I'm not saying expect another Season or two very quickly, especially with all the moves Adult Swim has been making purchasing Anime and Comedy shows recently, but season 3 is gonna happen. There's no reason for CN to back down out of a "buyer option" deal like the one reported above if the show has been successful--which it has.

Like before, there'll be a wait...but I've waited a long time before and I'm prepared. My guess is in a year or two we'll see that once again, its SHOWTIME, and Roger will be in a whole new slew of situations COMPLETELY different than BIG O Season 1 and 2 as it reaches toward its ultimate climax and a final ending. " - Paradigm Dog     http://www.paradigm-city.com/forums/thread.php?threadid=7788&sid
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Heck yeah it should have a third season. There's too much story material left dangling, and it's almost begging for a third run. There needs to be a revolt against the suits at the top, and get not only people who are in the biz, but who know how to please anime freaks like us.

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big o should have a third season that has less fighting and more drama.  i shall allow you people to hate me for what i just said.
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inuyasha_fan18 wrote:
big o should have a third season that has less fighting and more drama.  i shall allow you people to hate me for what i just said.



Why would people hate you? Actually the best episode of Big O was the one where the robot never even showed up. (act 13)
 
Most of the robot battles are unnecessary.. although there were a few kickass fights.
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yeah sure why not i was just getting into it when they stopped showing it.
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Word from someone who knows one of the voice actors says, that the people who made big o where told to change several things in order to leave the show open for a third season, but then CN later decided that they weren't going to go through with season 3.

It doesn't seem right to purposely make a cliffhanger then decide that you don't really care anymore.

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inuyasha_fan18 wrote:
big o should have a third season that has less fighting and more drama. i shall allow you people to hate me for what i just said.





actually, that's the smartest thing i've ever heard someone with inuyasha fan as part of their name say ever
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