NoireAirwave wrote:
Hmm valid points but the time has already past so we will never know now. If they did start out with new shows they would have probably had different acquisitions to suit the timeslot...
Nah they can play Deadman Wonderland at Midnight, they might be able to air it in the 11 hour if Toonami had that but not 9 or 10.
Maybe they should have considered moving Bleach to the 1AM slot when they started Toonami because it did indeed turn off some viewers but even in filler Bleach is going to beat Deadman and Casshern due to that loyal viewership every week. It will beat them with the key adult demos as well as total viewers. It probably only took one week before people stop tuning in at Midnight and started tuning in at 12:30 if Deadman caught their attention on week 1.
So the gamble is would The Boondocks make a stronger lead for Deadman Wonderland? Maybe so. Bleach loses viewers from The Boondocks and it could have some cross-over appeal with Deadman Wonderland, possibly even more than Bleach does.
But then we have Casshern Sins which probably would lose even more of it's lead from Deadman if Deadman got higher ratings thanks to The Boondocks lead-in. Lately it's been losing 200,000 give or take from Deadman which is usually in the 900,000's and I don't a higher starting point would have helped Casshern crack a million. Rather the gap between the two might be even more substantial.
So then how would Casshern and Bleach pair with Casshern in front of Bleach? Bleach might be able to boost Casshern but not as well as it could if it was before Casshern. Alternatively Casshern could drag Bleach down, especially in a filler run. We might also see a scenario where Casshern is a valley between Deadman and Bleach and then what does Bleach benefit? Just the reruns and that's not a very good use of it's strength. So you might argue if they had 4 premieres then Bleach could air before the last 1 but doesn't that defeat the purpose of putting the new stuff before Bleach if even one of the new shows is after Bleach?
There is also competition to consider as you know and a new anime could get hammered by SNL even when its' in reruns.
Toonami is currently trying to balance introducing more viewers while keeping the viewers who were watching ASA faithfully. So they cut some losses and kept the stronger performers. The planning can't be all about getting new viewers because it is equally important (perhaps even more important) to keep the ones who were already watching.
Bleach isn't really that hard to walk in on in the middle of a storyline. They do all kinds of recaps from time to time and like DBZ before it the fights can be entertaining without much if any context and that's what draws in casual viewers (along with some fanservice).
I'd sooner try Bleach at 12:30 than 1AM because it stands a better chance of benefiting two premieres that way. If they have enough money for two fresh shows on top of Bleach and Casshern when Deadman finishes then perhaps they could try Bleach at 1AM but when Bleach gets back to canon the ratings will be better most assuredly. We need look no further than what Bleach was pulling in last year when it was in canon to know what the rest of the Aizen arc can manage and we're talking 1.3-1.6 million as opposed to 1.1-1.2 on a good night. You're not going to get that from most anime at Midnight on a Saturday and you also wont likely get it from Bleach if it's airing in the 1AM hour. It'll probably crack a million but it's not going to get enough casual and dedicated viewership to reach much higher than a million and that's a potential loss of 500,000 or more. I really don't see them doing that and I don't think they should do that until they see what Bleach can do with the Toonami package when it's back to canon.
I'm not so sure wagering new viewers coming in who don't want to see Bleach against the current viewers who are going to watch Bleach and have been tuning in for Deadman and possibly Casshern as well as some of the reruns.
Personally I'd be okay with them pushing Bleach to even 1:30AM but I don't think moving it to 1AM will yeild the best results.
Wait until August to see how Bleach does when it returns to canon. If it isn't showing dramatic increases between the addition of Black Dynamite to pre-Toonami hours and the return to the Aizen fights then bump it to 12:30 to see how that affects things. If the 12AM anime manages to keep up with Bleach then and only then should you consider moving Bleach to 1AM and if the 12:30AM anime starts dragging Bleach down then swap Bleach back to 12:30AM.
This is all merely my opinion but I don't expect Adult Swim to move Bleach at all.
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