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Nostalgia and the New Toonami

What has been kind of grinding my gears lately is this general debate on whether or not the new toonami should showcase any of its older programming (or AS ACTN's older programs) or it needs to be totally new, only programs that never were on toonami.

 

The idea of a completely old toonami is bad.

 

Toonami itself was always trying to showcase cutting edge action animated programming in general. What is old now was new then. With toonami being back, that goal should not change at all. Toonami needs to hurl us at animes that we have yet to see before, and fufill it's duty shine a light on anime in America.

 

Nostalgia only works for so little, and this is evident in things like "The 90's are All That." If you've been floating around on [as] boards enough, you've probably seen me make this comparison like a dozen times. Basically, 90's are all that is a block on TeenNick that showcases only 90's programming. When it first launched, it gave record breaking ratings to TeenNick.

 

But about 2 months later was when all the hype died down and the block started facing a big problem. The old programming that the block had to provide lacked variety which led to unsatisfied nostalgics. They wanted more old programs, and the block was having huge difficulty with licensing with these programs. Fans were constantly attacking the block and threatning not to watch it.

 

So from that, the 90's are all that pretty much showcased how nostalgia is a very short term weapon. It only lasts for a short amount of time but it will blast ratings everywhere. Still, if toonami is going to be back on television for good, then it needs to sustain itself for a good amount of time.

 

We have seen all of those old animes that toonami has provided. Even then, those animes have left quite the legacy on the anime industry in general, as you always will come across that person talking about gundam or that person talking about dbz. Those animes are no longer cutting edge. They still have left very nice legacies but toonami was and should always be a progressive block.

 

The idea of a completely new toonami is probably just as bad.

 

If one of the leading reasons for toonami's revival was for the sake of nostalgia and making us board the absolution again like we use to, then why shouldn't it showcase some older programming to expand upon that nostalgia? It would be nice for it to cater somewhat to that aspect.

 

Whilst I did say that most of the animes have been out for a very long time and one has easy access to them, the issue of toonami and it's lineup is obviously not an issue of availabilty. If this were an issue of "wow where can I watch anime," toonami wouldn't even need to be revived because the internet has provided us such easy access to anime. It's obvious that there was something way more special and attractive about the old shows being on toonami. People will want to tune in just to get that effect, rather than sitting behind an emotionless Steve Blum lacking computer screen.

 

A completely new toonami will obviously leave some of the toonami faithful feeling betrayed. The April Fools Day broadcast had one time only deals, but it still did tease us with all of that old programming, kind of like how the whole idea of toonami being on that night was teasing us. It shouldn't leave us for dead.

 

Throwing in some old programming would definitely help sustain ratings throughout the night.

 

Obviously the April Fools Day broadcast was another example of this. In comparison to the week previous to that broadcast, some showcases of tv shows had over 100% increase in viewers. This was common in the really late night hours such as 2AM and onward. Obviously, old programming in general would help keep viewers staying up late to watch the older programs.

 

Also on [as] boards, we can clearly see that more people would be supporting toonami if they had some old programs hence things like the toonami disappointment thread. We need more firepower, why not rake in those viewers?

 

The late night hours, 3AM and onward would be a good time for older programs to have their run, considering that if people are worried about old programming blocking new programming, that's an easy way to make everything 1/2 and 1/2. On top of that. The real hours that are okay for premiering things are usually 12AM - 2AM, at least in toonami's case. After that, it wouldn't be incredibly wise to have a lot of new shows air or premiere, for they may be at risk for losing ratings. It would still be possible, however.

 

Also, in order to stray away from the repetitive shadow that AS ACTN has left for us for the past years, as some consider that AS ACTN for the past 2 years had been "HEY LETS REGURGITATE THE SAME CRAP WE'VE BEEN FEEDING YOU FOR 2 YEARS NOW DURRR HURRR," allowing some older programs to be on would be nice to step away from that, especially considering that since these programs have been off tv for so long, they're practically new to AS ACTN, or what is [toonami].

 

It would just be generally flashier to have some Outlaw Star and Gundam Wing airing versus the casual Big O + FLCL + GITS or whatever the heck aired.

 

Now obviously the repeats... We gotta make this work.

 

When I do consider the easy availability people have to anime in these times, it makes me really wonder if toonami even needs to have any repeats at all, or would they just be taking up space. There are those that are out on Saturday nights but one sometimes thinks, shouldn't they just go on the internet later on? Well still, [as] needs to make money...

 

Also the low amount of money at the moment is an issue when getting some of these old programs.

 

Also these old shows taking up time... Obviously, DBZ won't be making it on the block for a very very very long time, but if something like that were, or even a show like Yu Yu Hakusho made it on the block, that would take up quite a bit of time right? These shows would possibly take more than 2 years to get through with their once a week airings. Toonami has so much old programming that it would need to cater to, it wouldn't have the time to air 80+ tv shows unless the repeats were eliminated giving toonami a full on 3 hours on classic programs or something.

 

The only money efficient compromise I've worked out at the moment is this:

1. Cut off GITS and Bebop's repeats at 5-6AM. Those shows have been rerun to death, they do not need repeats.

2. Push the repeats starting time to 4AM, thus 2 hours of repeats.

3. Now you should have the hour of 3AM open. In that hour air two classic programs.

4. one classic program should be Outlaw Star since that is the most requested old program. The next would probably be Gundam Wing, for that is the second most requested classic program and it is praised by Demarco.

 

The main point of this thread is simply to communicate that mixing old and new programming is the way to go, though the old programming shouldn't have a stranglehold on toonami. It's wrong to go with only just one factor.

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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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I think that the shows that ran shorter back n da daiz should be the ones they put back on now. 

 

I think FMA:B and Bebop are basically just there as placeholders til they have something else to put. But the whole "repeat the entire schedule starting at 3" thing sort of makes a time crunch.

 

I think Outaw Star would be a good fit, it's not a terribly long show. 

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Okay but have you considered they don't have the money to buy Outlaw Star and Gundam Wing at the moment and may not have it any time soon?

 

IMO they should have had the courtesy to finish Durarara and Kekkaishi 2AM-3AM and put Bebop and GitS 3AM-4AM with no encores. It looks like at least Kekkaishi's contract may have expired but DRR is still on AS Video so I figure they still have that one and could have finished it's run. But I suppose it was doing badly enough that they felt they were better off finishing it on AS Video and getting it off the block.

 

Now we come to GitS and Bebop which only seem to be encoring for the sake of encoring the entire 3 hours which I suspect they are doing so they don't have to make more bumpers for shows that will only air in the 5AM hour. Hence why InuYasha lost it's long standing 5:30AM slot and they didn't even see fit to finish Durarara at 5AM where it was airing encores.

 

They have 3 shows in premieres and that's solid and FMA:B is relatively fresh since it is only on it's second full run and I think that should be adequate for 12 weeks of Deadman Wonderland's first run but should they do well enough to get a few oldies between now and then, I'd opt for this schedule.

 

12:00 AM - Bleach

12:30 AM - Deadman Wonderland

1:00 AM - Outlaw Star

1:30 AM - Casshern Sins

2:00 AM - Gundam Wing

2:30 AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

3:00 AM - Cowboy Bebop

3:30 AM - Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig

4:00 AM - Bleach

4:30 AM - Deadman Wonderland

5:00 AM - Outlaw Star / Casshern Sins

5:30 AM - Casshern Sins / Gundam Wing

 

But 4 fresh shows on top of maintaining Bleach is a lot so perhaps this is a more reasonable expectation

 

12:00 AM - Bleach

12:30 AM - Deadman Wonderland

1:00 AM - Outlaw Star / Gundam Wing

1:30 AM - Casshern Sins

2:00 AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

2:30 AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood (to finish it off by Fall and make some space)

3:00 AM - Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig

3:30 AM - Cowboy Bebop

4:00 AM - Bleach

4:30 AM - Deadman Wonderland

5:00 AM - Outlaw Star / Gundam Wing

5:30 AM - Casshern Sins

 

Let me explain a few things here

 

The Casshern up next bumper didn't mention Deadman Wonderland so they can move that a slot later no problem.

 

By keeping Casshern and FMAB back to back they don't have to make a new bumper for that transition and by doubling up FMA:B they only have to make one new bumper for FMA:B's second airing indicating another FMA:B will be airing.

 

By keeping the same order for all 3 they can keep the FMA:B into the 2nd Gig bumper as well as the 2nd Gig into Cowboy Bebop bumper.

 

This way they only need to make to make bumpers for Outlaw Star / Gundam Wing and one new bumper for between the two episodes of FMA:B. Which isn't a whole lot of work all things considered.

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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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It seems that there is a small crowd out there that wants to hang onto the nostalgia and is lobbying for old shows. I've stood by my opinion since April 1st that it needs a mix of older and newer shows. For people that just want a nostalgia fix, I suggest the website Toonami Aftermath. It airs all the old bumps and promos, and airs a good balanced selection of old Toonami shows such as DB, DBZ, Thundercats, Ronin Warriors, Robotech, Gundam, and Sailor Moon.
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I absolutely agree that all those classic shows are practically new since it's been about 10 years, and there are some folks like me who weren't THAT into Toonami when it was airing on Cartoon Network, but followed [as] ACTN over to Toonami. I had really been seeing Gundam Wing and Outlaw Star for only the 1st or 2nd time when they were shown on 4/1, and I'm intrigued. Since those 2 shows are the most requested, why not let 'em replace GITS and Bebop in the 2 AM/5 AM timeslot once they finish their current runs? They could use a break and the new Toonami format provides the chance for that to happen. Since 2nd Gig is on Episode 18 and Bebop is on Episode 16 on Week 2 of Toonami, they would finish up at slightly different times unless Toonami aired Real Folk Blues as a special in Week 11 of Toonami when GITS has already finished its run. Then, for Week 12 of Toonami, introducing the NEW nostalgia hour!

Toonami Week 12: August 11, 2012
12 AM - NEW Bleach 266 (return to canon!)
12:30 AM - Deadman Wonderland (final episode)
1 AM - Casshern Sins (Episode 12)
1:30 AM - FMA:B (Episode 43)
2 AM - Gundam Wing (Episode 1)
2:30 AM - Outlaw Star (Episode 1)

THAT would feel more like Toonami than the bizarre [as] ACTN/Toonami hybrid we have right now. And DeMarco has said he would want to pick those up for the block, though I feel the Gundam series he needs to be going after at some point is Gundam UC. Yes, it's an hour per episode, and only 7 episodes long, but it would certainly make for a dynamite programming event at some point in the future!  It might also be possible for Gundam to enjoy a long run on Toonami, with the one-time nostalgia run from August to February, then rotating it out of 2 AM/5 AM while adding Gundam UC in premieres to follow Bleach (at that point Deadman and Casshern will be long gone from premieres) for Spring 2013 (and repeating in early Summer 2013 as well).

 

Edit: he didn't actually say Outlaw Star but it should be a no-brainer since it's the most requested Toonami classic.

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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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One problem cheif. Are you intending for DW to air another run at 12:30? If not then where would you air its' second run? It would be bad for Casshern to be behind reruns.

Seems better to make 1 am the classic hour.

12:00 - Bleach
12:30 - Casshern Sins
1:00 - Outlaw Star
1:30 - Gundam Wing
2:00 - FMA Brotherhood
2:30 - Deadman Wonderland
3:00 - Repeat 12-2:30
5:30 - Cowboy Bebop

Deadman probably can't encore in the 5 AM hour so they could probably keep Bebop at 5:30 for as long as they please now that they have bumpers for it.
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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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Ugh, you're right! I hadn't really thought about what happens to Deadman in its reruns. For one thing adding 2 classic shows with Episode 1 would essentially be the end of the full repeat block the very next week, but if we're gonna pull Outlaw and Gundam from the grave, they definitely need repeats! By the same token, the premiere block can't begin at 4 AM since Bleach, Casshern, Outlaw, and Gundam would all need repeats. On the other hand, ending the block with Gundam or Outlaw wouldn't be TOO bad because they aired on Toonami before. And what if they want to pick up something new for the 12:30 slot instead of airing Casshern there? Therefore, the following would be the best bet:

12 AM - Bleach
12:30 - NEW anime (InuYasha: The Final Act?)
1 AM - Casshern Sins (keep at 1 AM 'cuz viewers are used to it there)
1:30 - Gundam Wing
2 AM - Outlaw Star
2:30 - Deadman Wonderland
3 AM - FMA:B
3:30-6 AM - Repeat 12-2:30 AM

Or, with expansion into the 11 AM hour and incorporating one episode of Boondocks:
11 PM - Boondocks (I'd kinda like to see what Toonami does with it...)
11:30 - New Anime (InuYasha: The Final Act?)
12 AM - Bleach
12:30 - Casshern Sins
1 AM - Gundam Wing
1:30 - Outlaw Star
2 AM - Deadman Wonderland
2:30 - FMA:B
3 AM - Repeat 11 PM-2 AM

I don't think anyone would really be butthurt by FMA:B not getting an encore if great classics like Gundam and Outlaw DO get encores, and both would be decent for the 5 AM timeslot. Ditto for Boondocks airing at 11 PM and 3 AM for a little action-oriented comedy infusion. Besides, it's not like nothing like that has NEVER happened on Toonami before or anything. Remember when they aired Scooby-Doo?

 

It should also be noted that both Outlaw Star and Gundam Wing are owned by Bandai who has been notoriously assy lately.  Then again, since they've pretty much shut down U.S. DVD proudction and getting more into the licensing game, they might be more amenable to getting these 2 great classics back on Toonami for a one-time limited run... 

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I will say this again... a lot of the fans that watched the first few years of Toonami have grown up. I am always saying that Toonami needs to move on and mature but A nostalgia fix would be a nice bonus for it's older fans.

Also it could introduce some of the old stuff to a newer generation.
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ALchemist81 wrote:

Ugh, you're right! I hadn't really thought about what happens to Deadman in its reruns. For one thing adding 2 classic shows with Episode 1 would essentially be the end of the full repeat block the very next week, but if we're gonna pull Outlaw and Gundam from the grave, they definitely need repeats! By the same token, the premiere block can't begin at 4 AM since Bleach, Casshern, Outlaw, and Gundam would all need repeats. On the other hand, ending the block with Gundam or Outlaw wouldn't be TOO bad because they aired on Toonami before. And what if they want to pick up something new for the 12:30 slot instead of airing Casshern there? Therefore, the following would be the best bet:

12 AM - Bleach
12:30 - NEW anime (InuYasha: The Final Act?)
1 AM - Casshern Sins (keep at 1 AM 'cuz viewers are used to it there)
1:30 - Gundam Wing
2 AM - Outlaw Star
2:30 - Deadman Wonderland
3 AM - FMA:B
3:30-6 AM - Repeat 12-2:30 AM

Or, with expansion into the 11 AM hour and incorporating one episode of Boondocks:
11 PM - Boondocks (I'd kinda like to see what Toonami does with it...)
11:30 - New Anime (InuYasha: The Final Act?)
12 AM - Bleach
12:30 - Casshern Sins
1 AM - Gundam Wing
1:30 - Outlaw Star
2 AM - Deadman Wonderland
2:30 - FMA:B
3 AM - Repeat 11 PM-2 AM

I don't think anyone would really be butthurt by FMA:B not getting an encore if great classics like Gundam and Outlaw DO get encores, and both would be decent for the 5 AM timeslot. Ditto for Boondocks airing at 11 PM and 3 AM for a little action-oriented comedy infusion. Besides, it's not like nothing like that has NEVER happened on Toonami before or anything. Remember when they aired Scooby-Doo?

 

It should also be noted that both Outlaw Star and Gundam Wing are owned by Bandai who has been notoriously assy lately.  Then again, since they've pretty much shut down U.S. DVD proudction and getting more into the licensing game, they might be more amenable to getting these 2 great classics back on Toonami for a one-time limited run... 


Only KWB Toonami aired Scooby-Doo and the less said of that the better. There's not much point in expanding to 11PM if you're going to run The Boondocks first. Just start at 11:30PM. The only reason I can see to incorporate The Boondocks is if Toonami gets the whole night and Boondocks stays at 11PM.

 

That first schedule is fine but Gundam Wing has to air in the 5:30 encore slot because it's tamer than Outlaw Star uncut which has harsher language and nudity (which would obviously be censored). Also following Casshern with Gundam just might break some people. Gundam Wing is a great show but it has a lot of politics too. Put Outlaw Star between the two in order to give people something lighter between the grim dark and the politics. You may be thinking the same of putting OS between Wing and Deadman and that's why I'd actually put FMA: Brotherhood before Deadman on Deadman's second run unless it does so well that they keep it before 2AM.

 

In my mind they either get two bonafied classics or they get 1 classic and 1 brand new series. They don't get 1 new series and two bonafied classics because they wont have the money for that.

 

Personally I think they should get a new show and one Toonami classic instead of two Toonami classics but if the most critical opinion is there are not enough classics then by all means get two classics and if Casshern isn't cutting the mustard then push it to 1:30AM and run the two classics between Bleach and Casshern.

 

So here are my two scenarios for when Deadman Wonderland finishes its' first run

 

12:00 AM - Bleach

12:30 AM - New Anime (honestly I'd rather it not be Final Act but if it's PSG I'd swap it and Bleach so PSG was first after comedy)

1:00 AM - Gundam Wing or Outlaw Star

1:30 AM - Casshern Sins

2:00 AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

2:30 AM - Deadman Wonderland

3:00 AM - Encore 12AM-2:30AM

5:30 AM - Cowboy Bebop

 

12:00 AM - Bleach

12:30 AM - Gundam Wing

1:00 AM - Outlaw Star

1:30 AM - Casshern Sins

2:00 AM - Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

2:30 AM - Deadman Wonderland

3:00 AM - InuYasha Hour / Bebop + GitS

4:00 AM - Encore 12AM-2AM

 

They'd have to make bumps or run generic ones for an InuYasha hour but it would probably do better than encores of other shows and if they don't get Final Act yet the least they could do is put InuYasha back on.

 

I think Casshern though dreary doesn't get to be too much for 5:30 AM but I could be wrong about that and to play it safe on the encore they could switch Gundam Wing and Casshern's slots but that would require more bumpers.

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Obviously, I agree that a completely old block would kill it quickly.

 

Now as for the idea of a mix of a new and old block, I would love it, but I think they should start with emphasizing newer shows first (whatever those are) because they are easier to license and give them the best opportunity possible to become very popular shows. If Toonami can get to the point where they can afford older shows relatively easily, then they should add one or two of them at a time (and along the way, slowly erase the repeats). Currently, I would say the most likely older show to return is Gundam Wings due to DeMarco wanting it back. Outlaw Stars is a possibility, but I'm not sure how likely it is since we're probably basing it off of this poll, in which all shows have less than 50 votes.

 

Both of those shows I think would be cool to see since I've never got the opportunity to see them before, although for old shows, I'm placing my very unlikely hopes on Astro Boy, Sailor Moon, and The Prince of Tennis.

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SpaceshipEDM wrote:

The main point of this thread is simply to communicate that mixing old and new programming is the way to go.


Exactly. People want to see new shows, I'm sure, but alot of the excitement during April fools was because of the old shows. It's nostalgia. Bring in a small mix of old shows and change them up as soon as their initial run has finished.

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That could work. Have a couple old shows.... Alternate them a couple of times then move on to another set.
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All we need is an extended time and InuYasha.

The rest of the stuff (Like classic programming and american programming) is privileges though they would be privileges I would support.

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Demonmonkey44
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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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I agree 100% For Toonami to be/stay a success it needs a nice variety of New & Old shows.

I mean right now we have

12:00 Bleach NEW
12:30 Deadman Wonderland (NEW)
1:00 Casshern Sins (NEW)
1:30 FMA: Brotherhood
2:00 GITS: SAC 2nd Gig
2:30 Cowboy Bebop

So 3 premires 3 old shows, decent balance but the old shows have already been re-run to heck & back, personally I hope eventually Gits & Bebop will be replaced by Gundam Wing & Outlaw Star. And as for new content, still hoping to see Panty & Stocking With Garterbelt and Tiger & Bunny on down the line. Maybe Inuyashsa: Final Act.
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Ranlsa
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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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ALchemist81 wrote:

Ugh, you're right! I hadn't really thought about what happens to Deadman in its reruns. For one thing adding 2 classic shows with Episode 1 would essentially be the end of the full repeat block the very next week, but if we're gonna pull Outlaw and Gundam from the grave, they definitely need repeats! By the same token, the premiere block can't begin at 4 AM since Bleach, Casshern, Outlaw, and Gundam would all need repeats. On the other hand, ending the block with Gundam or Outlaw wouldn't be TOO bad because they aired on Toonami before. And what if they want to pick up something new for the 12:30 slot instead of airing Casshern there? Therefore, the following would be the best bet:

12 AM - Bleach
12:30 - NEW anime (InuYasha: The Final Act?)
1 AM - Casshern Sins (keep at 1 AM 'cuz viewers are used to it there)
1:30 - Gundam Wing
2 AM - Outlaw Star
2:30 - Deadman Wonderland
3 AM - FMA:B
3:30-6 AM - Repeat 12-2:30 AM

Or, with expansion into the 11 AM hour and incorporating one episode of Boondocks:
11 PM - Boondocks (I'd kinda like to see what Toonami does with it...)
11:30 - New Anime (InuYasha: The Final Act?)
12 AM - Bleach
12:30 - Casshern Sins
1 AM - Gundam Wing
1:30 - Outlaw Star
2 AM - Deadman Wonderland
2:30 - FMA:B
3 AM - Repeat 11 PM-2 AM

I don't think anyone would really be butthurt by FMA:B not getting an encore if great classics like Gundam and Outlaw DO get encores, and both would be decent for the 5 AM timeslot. Ditto for Boondocks airing at 11 PM and 3 AM for a little action-oriented comedy infusion. Besides, it's not like nothing like that has NEVER happened on Toonami before or anything. Remember when they aired Scooby-Doo?

 

It should also be noted that both Outlaw Star and Gundam Wing are owned by Bandai who has been notoriously assy lately.  Then again, since they've pretty much shut down U.S. DVD proudction and getting more into the licensing game, they might be more amenable to getting these 2 great classics back on Toonami for a one-time limited run... 


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I THOUGHT YOU WERE ON MY SIDE...WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON?!?!

 

I CAN;T HAVE SATRDAY WITHOUT MY BEBOP..IN THE 2AM SLOT, NOT IN THE 5AM SLOT. I'D NEVER STAY UP LATE ENOUGH TO WATCH IT

 

...AND DON;T SAY DVD'S!!! IT'S NOT THE SAME!! 

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I agree with those choices.
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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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@Ransia: The main Toonami NEVER aired Scooby Doo, that was the short lived Kids WB spin-off block, but most fans like to ignore that one, lol.

@NoireAriwave: Thanks! Heres hoping . *crosses fingers*
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Ranlsa
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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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Demonmonkey44 wrote:
@Ransia: The main Toonami NEVER aired Scooby Doo, that was the short lived Kids WB spin-off block, but most fans like to ignore that one, lol.

@NoireAriwave: Thanks! Heres hoping . *crosses fingers*

I never said Scooby Doo, nolr do I want Scooby Doo. That was the KidsWB ripoff that didn't even AIR TOM!

 

News flash, guys, no TOM, no Toonami!

 

I was talkling to Alchemist81 and that dumb schedule he thought up.. (who better NOT show up on the Ghost and Bebop boards tonight now...)

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Re: Nostalgia and the New Toonami

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Regretably... KWB Toonami DID have TOM but I don't believe he even spoke once. They just used the regular KWB announcer which was Jim Cummings at the time and he's always great so I have no beef with that. But that block quickly became a complete mockery of the Toonami name and unfortunately TOM and the clides were along for the ride.

 

They could keep both around if they expand the first run again but it's not the end of the world if Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop take a break after they finish their current runs.

 

It doesn't matter if they're two of the best anime ever produced and there's probably nothing Adult Swim could air which could adequately compare to them. Those 52 episodes of Ghost in the Shell and 26 episodes of Cowboy Bebop have been airing pretty much non-stop for around 3 or 4 years.

 

I don't want to prematurely freak you out but I'm guessing the fact that they made bumpers specifically for 2nd Gig rather than Stand Alone Complex as a whole is indication that they will give Ghost in the Shell a break after this run finishes. IMO they should have made bumpers that would have been usable for the first season as well as 2nd Gig but now they'll have to make new bumpers for season 1 if they start over. And you may have to face the possibility that after nearly a decade they may be giving up the rights to Ghost in the Shell The Stand Alone Complex. Just be glad they're finishing this run but they don't owe you anything in regards to airing Ghost in the Shell or Cowboy Bebop.

 

Perhaps it's unfortunate that not nearly enough viewers are willing to watch every run of those shows the way you do but Adult Swim cannot and will not keep both series on the air indefinitely just because you want them to. You'd better hope the ratings remain too good for them to even consider taking them off. Otherwise a break at some point is inevitable and likewise because they do not own either series eventually Adult Swim will lose the broadcast rights to both. I get the feeling they'll hold on to Cowboy Bebop for as long as they have an action block simply because they adore it so much but it has been over a decade since they picked that up and nothing lasts forever.

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