Toonami

[K77suns]

The only way the block can survive is if they do dub premieres. There's no way the block can do well long term if they air anime that has already been out for a while.

For example a lot of people have been asking for Gurren Lagann. Sure you might like it but lets be realistic here, if someone watches it on Toonami and enjoys it they can just go online and watch the rest.

Also SYFY played the whole thing like 3 times.

Airing Deadman is a step in the right direction.

1. There's no way you can buy it atm

2. It's the best place and only place to watch the dub atm

Believe it or not they're a lot of people who just don't/can't watch anime subbed.

[Gus3]

Agreed. Perhaps something like Gundam X, Fairy Tail, Eureka Seven AO, Blood-C or that new Lupin III. None of those have aired on US television last I checked.

[Sketchor]

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K77suns wrote:

The only way the block can survive is if they do dub premieres. There's no way the block can do well long term if they air anime that has already been out for a while.

For example a lot of people have been asking for Gurren Lagann. Sure you might like it but lets be realistic here, if someone watches it on Toonami and enjoys it they can just go online and watch the rest.

Also SYFY played the whole thing like 3 times.

Airing Deadman is a step in the right direction.

1. There's no way you can buy it atm

2. It's the best place and only place to watch the dub atm

Believe it or not they're a lot of people who just don't/can't watch anime subbed.

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That's not neccessarily true. Whether a show has been around and would not be a dub premiere anymore isn't the biggest factor though it does go along with the biggest factor. The important thing is that the show is not over-exposed and in the case of Casshern we have a series that has been around since 2010 but went largely unnoticed until now. They can get more shows that slipped through the cracks like that. They might even prove more successful than English dub premieres of some shows that were simulcast in Japanese before hitting Toonami in English.

[okjsdhfjdsf]

I don't necessarily think they have to have had no tv exposure yet. I think HOTD and Jyu-oh-Sei would be great for Toonami, and they won't be anywhere near the expense of some of the new shows people are wanting. Hell, I'm actually surprised that Jyu-oh-Sei wasn't picked up by Toonami when it returned, as it is a Funimation title and I would have imagined it was in the same price range as Casshern and Deadman, probably even cheaper. I would think that both HOTD and Jyu-oh-Sei would be getting better ratings than Casshern. Yes, both HOTD and Jyu-oh-Sei can be instantly streamed on Netflix, but so can Casshern.

[-Gaynor79-]

Immediate problems with the shows you are mentioning are greatly apparent. Highschool of the Dead, although dubbed, is owned by a company that [as]/Toonami doesn't currently do business with. In addition, the show is over exposed and has been for quite sometime. Not to mention the dub job was horrid (that's not an opinion, thats a fact).

In the case of Jyu-oh-Sei, it could have been something as simple as money, or something as large as a licensing issue. I haven't seen the show, so I can't offer an opinion as to it's content, but perhaps it was deemed to far to one extreme to be airable. Especially if it is a heavily psychological show, which has historically done poorly on [as].

[Gundumb]

I definitely wish they would show a bunch more of anime I've never seen on live TV that's already finished with English dubs such as Kiddy Grade, Darker Than Black etc.

[-Dudeco-]

Yeah, [AS] only goes after the most previously obscure and at least relativly new anime titles.

If its more than 2 years old and already been presented to audiences everywhere, they don't really see a reason to spend airtime and money on it.

[VegetaKingSSJ3]

Fairy Tail would be great if it caught up to the 48 episodes Funimation has dubbed at the moment and then once its past those episodes continue airing dub premiers, don't release the DVDs/Blu-rays until Toonami is past it, that's like what Viz Media is doing with Bleach because its way ahead of the DVD releases

[NoireAirwave]

Some of the stuff I have been saying for a while so I agree.

Anime keys to success: 13-50 eps long, little exposure, Freshly dubbed, not on a video service, hasn't been on tv in recent years, {Naruto, DBKai, etc}, variety, and isn't on DVD.

They need a variety of shows.... not just the same gloomy themes. Avoid long-running shonen series for a while. It needs to grow like it's fans... it isn't on CN anymore so don't treat it like it is. Maturity is also a key, There can be maturity in any anime {Bebop being a good example} and it doesn't require excessive cursing, sexual content, or gore.

People need to think about the reasoning not just "Oh I saw this on Netflix and I think it's cool so Toonami needs to air it"

[-Dudeco-]

Avoiding shonen is something they shouldn't do.

Its already proven to have gotten successful ratings, not to mention loyal cult followings. Really, part of having variety is airing both shonens and seniens instead of just having one. The 2 genres aren't as black and white as people think they are (At least not to me).

[NoireAirwave]

As I said they need to avoid LONG RUNNING shonen. Some shouldn't be a problem but they cannot afford a long running series... Bleach is ok for the time being but adding another wouldn't turn out too well in the long run. It would cause Toonami to enter a rut like ASA.

[-Dudeco-]

Well, yeah, I can see how it wouldn't be financially viable to air a long running series unless theres demand for it.

Which actually proves my point about Ranma 1/2. Good show. But not one that would do well on Toonami.

[-Gaynor79-]

I think one of the best ways for Toonami to survive is NOT to listen to the fans. Now hear me out on this. What to do we as fans really know? We know what we as individuals like, but do we truly understand everyone? No, because if we did, we would all agree on the same 5 shows and there would be no problems. But the reality is, we are not the best judges of what should be on this programming block. There isn't any one show that any of us could agree on. Not even Cowboy Bebop. The people who make the programming block have a lot of factors to consider. In addition to money and availability, they have to consider trends and ratings data. You know why we keep getting shows like Bleach? Because Bleach gets the highest ratings each week, is immensly popular, and is affordable for them to have the license for. When they do take a chance on something new, they are usually doing it to test the waters a bit. Paranoia Agent is a great example of this. Although a bit more psychological than most things on the network at the time, it was still actiony enough to fit in with the rest of the block. A possible new genre to show on the network right? Wrong. Paranoia Agent's ratings were less than stellar and it only survived two runs. Hence, the reason shows like Serial Experiments Lain and Boogiepop Phantom will never get a chance.

Let's take it a step further and look at the new shows, Deadman Wonderland and Casshern Sins. These are two very different shows that may lead to very different acquisitions in the future. First, Deadman Wonderland. It's a show with a lot of violence, gore, language, and shock value. It's also very short. Now, what shows are like this that could be future acquisions? Hellsing Ultimate immediately comes to mind. Blood-C is another possibility. Now, what about Casshern Sins? Casshern Sins is a reboot of an older franchise. It's a post apocalyptic, dark, dramatic, slightly less actiony show that is character and plot driven.  What shows are like this? Hunter x Hunter is something along these lines. The Rebuild of Evangelion movies would be excellent pickups. Berserk falls right in line here as well.

So basically the formula here is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[okjsdhfjdsf]

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NoireAirwave wrote:

People need to think about the reasoning not just "Oh I saw this on Netflix and I think it's cool so Toonami needs to air it"

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Dumbest statement in this thread yet.

I gave legitimate reasons Jyu-oh-Sei should air.  Go back and read.  Also, like I said, Casshern was already available on Netflix instant streaming when Toonami started airing it. 

[okjsdhfjdsf]

IMO, you have to walk that fine line of listening to the fans and judging for yourself.  I've actually seen some intelligent posts on this board in my short time here where people were not thinking about themselves, but instead the overall good for the block and everyone watching it.

[NoireAirwave]

Yes and even if it wasn't as popular on Netflix it doesn't mean it hasn't had exposure. I still say if it wasn't easily available it would have gotten more views.

[-Dudeco-]

I like Bleach and I certainly have no problem with it airing on Toonami. I honestly do think its a good show with reasons a plenty to air on the block.

I am also not trying to tell Toonami how to do their job. As a matter of fact, I think they are doing a great job. Only thing I would add is a longer airtime (And if possible, InuYasha). But I certainly have no reason whatsoever to complain about Toonami. They are just doing what every other network is supposed to do and thats to appeal to both the majority and the casual viewers who are otherwise in it for Family Guy.

As fans, we are here to discuss the shows and offer suggestions. True, we shouldn't be expecting things to actually happen just because we want them to happen, but the whole point of a message board (And really the internet in general) is to exchange ideas, information, properties and opinions.

[-Gaynor79-]

The problem is for every 1 intelligent fan, there are hundreds more idiot fans who have no idea what they're talking about. That is why it's best to ignore a lot of what's said in a place like this, and stick to data.

[okjsdhfjdsf]

That's actually a fair assessment there. But if Toonami can't get the bigger shows or other things they want, they might still get lesser-known titles that are already available on Netflix. Sorry if I went overboard calling your post dumb, I just don't like when someone generalizes me or somebody else when it's not like I was thinking only for myself. No hard feelings.

[-Gaynor79-]

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-Dudeco- wrote:

I like Bleach and I certainly have no problem with it airing on Toonami. I honestly do think its a good show with reasons a plenty to air on the block.

I am also not trying to tell Toonami how to do their job. As a matter of fact, I think they are doing a great job. Only thing I would add is a longer airtime (And if possible, InuYasha). But I certainly have no reason whatsoever to complain about Toonami. They are just doing what every other network is supposed to do and appeal to both the majority and the casual viewers who are otherwise in it for Family Guy.

As fans, we are here to discuss the shows and offer suggestions. True, we shouldn't be expecting things to actually happen just because we want them to happen, but the whole point of a message board (And really the internet in general) is to exchange ideas, information, properties and opinions.

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Right, and I understand where you're coming from. I wasn't trying to knock Bleach or any other show on the block. Bleach is just the show that seems to garner the most ill will and thus was a prime example for my argument. And I do feel that the best way to get the best shows on your network is to ignore the vocal minority and stick to the factual data on the vast majority.

[okjsdhfjdsf]

Yeah, I guess you're right on that. But usually you can tell when it's someone having an intelligent conversation or if it's someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, and I'm sure Williams Street knows the difference between intelligence and idiocy.

[-Dudeco-]

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okjsdhfjdsf wrote:
That's actually a fair assessment there. But if Toonami can't get the bigger shows or other things they want, they might still get lesser-known titles that are already available on Netflix. Sorry if I went overboard calling your post dumb, I just don't like when someone generalizes me or somebody else when it's not like I was thinking only for myself. No hard feelings.

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This is a message board. We are here to exchange ideas and opinions. It may not mean that [AS] is obligated to do what we say just because we say it, but if posting ideas and opinions is wrong, then there no point to having a message board at all.

So, yeah, you are not at fault for expessing your opinion.

[NoireAirwave]

Still it is all opinion on who you think is intelligent and who isn't.... One person may think of them as intelligent and the other might see them as a complete idiot.

[-Dudeco-]

I wasn't trying to say that you were bashing Bleach.

I just didn't want you to think that I was just another one of those crybabies who are constantly trying to get it off of the block just because of a long episode count and fillers.

[okjsdhfjdsf]

This has turned into quite the discussion.